Did I miss any other kits? 3: For owners of the Gaggia Classic ProRI9380 240Vversion, please check the installation guide "KIT-GG_Classic Pro US 120V_Installation". The two mains wires connect to terminals 1 and 2 (starting counter-clockwise from top-left). The PID unit did not turn on using the same terminal of your machine. 3. Maybe this could serve instead of trying to find an M4 thermocouple. Ive attached an album with my wiring below; Ive literally had an engineer look at it and The Gaggia is 100% at its original state except for the power taps on the neutral at the plug, the live on the brew switch, and the thermocouple to SSR wiring: https://imgur.com/a/rc4xtfz. Remove the cover assembly and filler funnel by unscrewing the two small screws at the rear of the top. I wondered if you ended up testing both in the end. Shades and Auber Instruments. One thing I would really recommend when anyone installs a PID system into the Gaggia Classic is to install a rubber grommet where the cables exit the machine. Do you know how to do this? From what I have read, the PID with the additional steam mode option does not improve things much. (Gaggia Classic) I swear this is the last question I will ask today lol. Awesome PID installation guide! UNBLOCKING. 2: The add-on item option "extra wire defeating auto-off timer" is for the Gaggia Classic Pro European model (RI9480, 240V), which has the auto-turn-off timer feature. 5: The PID controller in this kit is NOT SYL-1512A. Try powering the PID directly from mains power, with just the thermocouple connected (disconnect the SSR). Whole Latte Love has a new video about preinfusion on the classic. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32975122837.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.11b02e0edh0ELd. PWM dimmer for preinfusion -. Thanks. 4.8. Take your time, think it through, and be patient. Hello Chris, I installed the PID so that there are no permanent modifications to the machine, and the Gaggia can be returned to factory condition at any time. However, at the cost of convenience, these kits can be relatively expensive. Apart from that, when I turn on steam mode, the thermostat takes temperature in the machine around 151c-152c, it doesnt turn on again after it goes down to 102C, then turns on and repeats the cycle. Check for wire that might have been too aggressively stripped, where some of the conductor might have also been cut away. I havent lowered brew pressure to 9 Bars yet so perhaps changing that would level out my pump pressures? I love the Lego enclosure idea. These set the parameters and algorithms that monitor and control. Double sided tape will work. I hope thats ok. 2. Cross referencing with the with the manual confirmed that the stickers had been reversed. Accuracy: 0.2% Thanks for the quick reply. The factory settings have been working well for me, aside from a ~5 degree C overshoot when it first reaches the target temperature. The PID will be more or less bypassed when the steam switch is on, it will just stop trying to heat because the boiler will be over the PIDs target temperature. I have re-read the specifications for this controller. Their kit is convenient, and is the way to go if someone doesnt feel ready to take on a 100% DIY project. I was initially concerned about my wiring (and my GFI) but its reassuring to hear you have the same side effects. If not, can you think of any potential mistakes I made along the way? I have not changed any of the P, I or D settings on my controller. Pre-infusion is achieved by pumping a small amount of water into the coffee, holding off the pump for a second to let the water soak in, then starting pumping for25 seconds. 100% Upvoted. I used lamp cord for this. I decided to go the do-it-yourself route, ordering the parts separately, at a fraction of the cost of the kits. Indeed, not an option. Hi peeps, finally got all the bits n pieces to do the Pid, brew & steam mod on the gaggia, does anybody have any general instructions for putting this all together? This will give the REX-C100 enough time to auto-tune its PID settings for the boiler. If youre following a recipe that calls for a specific water temperature, then it would be easier to do this with an offset at the PID. This gives the machine a whole new level of consistency, and gives you fine control over brew temperature. Make sure that all the new and repositioned wires are cleanly routed away from the boiler and pump and any uninsulated connectors. Pull the steam wand up and out of the Classic, and set it aside. Hi Rusty. Where did you place the SSR? I have found the exact PID unit which Mr Shades is using and purchased it beside the Rex C100 kit you mentioned above: What you describe is pretty normal, except that I am a bit surprised that your steam drops temperature down to 102. Hi , I followed the instructions but the PID starts up with some number and it doesnt look normal , LCD just keep blinking some numbers the goes of for a few seconds the I get some numbers for half a second, itso quick I cant tell what is displaying, could I have got the power wiring wrong or if the cable are higher AWG would it causes issue? hide. An extended de-bugging solved the problem: the PID 12v circuit output was reversed, so changing + to solved the problem. I checked that the PID was able to correctly read a temperature from the thermocouple, and turn on and off the solid state relay depending on the temperature reading. There is definitely a falloff from the temperature reported by the thermocouple at the boiler and what you will measure at the group head. The kit includes all the parts and the materials to complete its function. Or is the only power available from the mains? The kit installation is fully reversible. Hard to say how long it took because I was doing other things as well (dimmer switch, boiler pressure gauge, boiler rebuild, etc.) The boiler had been installed in such a way that it had pinched/nearly severed the upstream wire on the brew light. SKU: N/A Category: Accessories,Espresso Machines Tags: -GG-CLASSIC-PCB, $100-$300, $200-$300, 12annivexcluded, 13tierexcl, 300-600, Accessories, auber-instruments, gaggia, obalist, SA-GG-CLASSIC-P, SA-GG-CLASSIC-PCR, . Plug in a mains-rated wire connected to a piggyback spade connector, and then plug the original neutral cable into the piggyback. I have changed the default value of the SL parameter to work with the RTD sensor (K thermocouple was default). Warning! (The Gaggia machine is not included in this listing). it does not matter if the bean is dark or light roast? I can do a more detailed writeup of what Ive done if anyone feels like helping me find out whats not working properly! It looks like your GC is in steam mode. It has been working flawless for the most part, but seen a few issues that havent seen before. I decided that for me, its not worth worrying about. http://facebook.com/HKCoffeeHome EspressoGaggia Classic !Gaggia Classic can give a good espresso shot . This product was added to our catalog on Friday 12 August, 2011. When I say old, it is still unused new in the box. The idea of the chassis becoming live doesnt bear thinking about. Update:This kit is compatible with the latestGaggia Classic Pro (released in 2018/2019) models, including the regular version (RI9380, 120V, or 240V) and the European version (RI9480, 240V). Im thinking Id like to start with just a temperature indicator, to assist with the surfing. as a cheap indicator to assist with surfing. 5. You can use the same 18 gauge wire between the heating element and the SSR. Thanks so much for the awesome guide! Pull the two wires that you removed from the thermostat up to the top of the machine, near the rest of the wires that run from the front to the back of the machine. Regulate the standby coffee water temperatureto within 1 (F or C) accuracy. on orders over $49. share. See here for details. This is the setup that I have assembled two days ago. Hi Chris, Watching the steam temp with the PID is interesting (I know it has no effect on it, but it is cool to see how it reacts now) and it is definitely best practice to steam while its on its way up in temp, once it hits the set point it comes down for a while (mine settled around 130 before it started back up). Hi Eddie. Thermocouple: J,S,K,E,Wre3 ~ Wre25 When the temperature stabilizes to within 1 degree of the target temperature, the auto-tuning is complete. It should be placed as close to the left-hand side of the Classic as possible. It will improve the consistency of the brewing even if you didn't tamp the coffee perfectly. 7. The only way to cut it is to unplug the machine. I then thought what if? and decided to change the mains wires to the opposite terminals. My theory at the moment would be that due to the PID control the heater is sometimes on at higher temperatures. Hello, I acquired and prepared all cables and SSR unit thanks to your well prepared title above. When the steam switch is on, the PID stays on but because the boiler temperature in steam mode is much higher than the brew temperature of the PID, the PID provides no power to the SSR and heating element. And this is the thermometer out the back. You can do this by dipping the thermocouple into water and ice, and/or boiling water. Since installing the modification, I get a huge amount of steam and spray coming out of the portafilter when I first operate the pump so much so, that it sprays all over the worktop around the machine! Users needto disable the parameter Tp, Td, and only useTb as a shot timer to pump a specific time. it works better than poor mans preinfusion described by wholelatte love & Lance in the youtube. Can anyone advise on the PT100 sensor setup? We have an earth leakage wiring system in our house, but in many countries, these are not standard. Double check that this is the neutral! I know wiring might be different colours but is everything in the same place? It seems the wiring varies even within model years, and between model regions. Started by Rocky47. With this tight temperature control, you do not have to surf the temperature for frothing because the heater will kick on much sooner than the original thermostat. I actually ended up getting the one you recommended. The enclosures purpose is first to protect you from the mains current, and second, to make it easier to attach the PID to the Gaggia. Chris, this is a far simpler way to add preinfusion. Only needs 2 x AAA batteries. Does the wiring youve supplied automatically shut the PID unit off when you engage the steam switch? Is it possible to do this with the GC factory temp sensor? This is the only concern left for me. Select the preferred temperature unit so that all parameters are pre-set properly for you. Mounting Dimension: DIN: 1/16 (48mmX48mmX80mm) We ship every business day from our two warehouses located in Milton, Ontario and Calgary, Alberta. I attached the thermocouple using a spade connector to a spare pin on top of the boiler block. The SSR is just a fancy switch and it should only be turning on and off, so depending on how you measure you may not see current. The result was overshoot of up to 18C and an inability to return to the setpoint temp, 105C, unless I shut everything off and restarted. Hi Brandon. If the wiring in your machine is different from our installation guide, please contact us. Tap the neutral mains: disconnect the lower wire from the mains connector at the back of the Classic. I would like to use it for steaming ONLY. View Product Information. This kit has a pre-infusion timer. 102 is way too low, you wont get useful steaming at that low a temperature. The C-100 will fit in vertically, with the screen facing up. Consult the instructions that came with your PID to make sure. Thermocouple included: M6*1 thread , K type , 2m cable There is no 12v anywhere in the GCP, its all mains power inside. (Gaggia Classic) Close. Do you think that REX-C100FK02-V*EN (designed for K-type thermocouple) is compatible with RTD (PT100) and is not going to create long-term problems with the machine/setup? Unblocking Solenoid Valve-Classic and Baby. It should work as a replacement for the C-100 and SSR, but because the SSR is built into the PID, so your wiring will be a bit different. The 103 is not a true 103, that is what is getting measured in the boiler wall, and there is also a temperature drop off between the boiler and the portafilter, so your final espresso temperature will be lower. My only concern is the diagramm I downloaded from whole latte love shows different connections then what I have seen in my unit Home; Search; Log in; Sign up; Updates: Click here to visit our store! Auber Instruments PID Kit for Gaggia Classic. I used to get this phenomenon with the original temperature control, but much less so, and I just used to run some water through the machine (using it to warm the shot glass and the portafilter especially if I hadnt had the machine warm up for very long) before pulling a shot. Apologies for the long questions, thanks in advance! There is definitely something weird going on. KIT-GG Installation Guide Version 1.3 Auber Instruments, 730 Culworth Manor, Alpharetta, GA 30022 e-mail: info@auberins.com Tel: 770-569-8420 www.auberins.com . I do not suggest autotuning for this device because there is a huge improvement in temperature stability if you do the tuning by yourself. The best way to find is: 1-Connect one cable to the mains connector at the back where it is showing N sign meaning Neutral. Started by Rocky47, June 28, 2019, 01:16:33 PM. 6 Reviews (6) $326.00. I am glad this article helped. Ill be using a xmt7100 (modified) for two SRRs and also tweaked for 12v out for led mod any help would be appreciated. The kit is compatible with both 110VAC and 240VAC power. Not really preinfusion, just an excellent way to crack the puck before your shot starts. Hi Evan. Please see the compatible model list below (Note 1 on the bottom). Just use a multimeter to find the switched mains, and you should be able to follow the thermostat wires. Hi Chris, I appreciate your tutorials on the PID install. On thing I realised is that Mr Shades does not allow purchasing the parts seperately unless you already purchased the kit as a whole. Each segmentcan be set by the user with 0.1 seconds resolution. Hi Jeff. This is not a difficult mod. I should pointed out that the temperature ranges I was referring to were with the -8C offset on the PID. Loosen the four bolts that hold down the boiler assembly. Stock situation: Silver case : Last one or two!!! But will there be an upper limit to prevent the boiler from going near 365F and blowing thermal. Do you think this makes difference? Thanks. Glad this writeup helped. Chris has done a great job on this write up and its easy to follow. The C-100 can accommodate only one sensor/SSR, so you would only set it for brew temperature. I dont bother with offset, once I have a temperature dialed in, it doesnt matter whether its measured at the boiler or offset for the group head. So I would say yes, you should use a heat sink, but the Gaggia body conveniently provides you with that function. Using two 5-8 cm pieces of properly-rated wire (15 amps for North America), make two connectors to connect the thermostat wires to the AC terminals of the solid state relay. The preinfusion thing is a bit ridiculous, it just turns your pump on, off and on again. Hello Chris, Replies: 2 Views: 1,615. Wire colors and positions seem to vary. Our provided installation manual is based on the Gaggia Classic 2016 (model# RI9403/11). When I got my C100 the thermocouple was M6, i ended up buying an m4 brass bolt drilling it out, and inserting the thermo with some glue and heatshrink on it and it works like magic added some thermal paste. Before replacing the thermostat, maybe check whether your PID and thermocouple are calibrated, before committing to buying more parts. The kit looks a lot like the one I ordered. I went with an insulated PT100. This does mean that you can only fill the water tank by pulling it out. The biggest problem was the fact that the brew water control did not work: the SSR was never switched on by the thermocouple output. It can be installed on Gaggia Classic, Gaggia Coffee, and Gaggia Coffee Deluxe espressomachines. it is basically removing the main pump wire and re routing back to the PWM out. Posted by 2 years ago. 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