You'd have to ask Mr. O'Keefe. He said that he did not think so. Our understanding of the operation is that Mr. Seddon, while employed, in fact, at Project Veritas, was involved in this. It's my understanding he designed the training exercises, which could have included, like, you know, going out to bars in Cody and trying to get people's names and numbers, how to pitch somebody in an elevator, how to spot people who could potentially provide you information. DAVIES: Right - Erik Prince, the security contractor who we'll talk more about. They provide additional insight into the ambition of the operation to use undercover operatives to target Republicans seen as insufficiently conservative, as well as to, as one document describes it, research, penetrate and infiltrate the radical left networks.. I have always understood him to be a resident of Northern Virginia, the lead writer of The Intercepts April story, Matthew Cole, wrote in a declaration. According to the documents, Mr. Seddons operatives also aimed to dig up information on Steve Harshman, the Republican speaker of the House in Wyoming at the time, who was also seen by some conservatives as not sufficiently supportive of Mr. Trump. DAVIES: That's an airport in Cody, Wyo. Its among a number of issues and motions that will have to be sorted out before a judge or jury would consider the accuracy of The Intercepts April article. And Las Vegas was the - you could almost say it was the pinnacle, the apex of their operation. But in a pending lawsuit, Prince asserts the April 13 story from The Intercept was false, defamatory and aimed at Wyoming. Because of the article, Prince says his reputation and professional opportunities within Wyoming suffered, along with his business interests and reputation in general. GOLDMAN: Yeah. Reached by phone, Ms. Halverson said: Frankly, I have nothing to say on the subject. She then hung up. There were steps taken to advance this plan, but in the end, it didn't happen because McMaster was fired. There was a billionaire in - well, a very - I don't know if he was a billionaire. When does he do this, and do we know why? And then, you know, they both end up giving to the DNC. Mr. Seddon was not. And we all sort of wracked our brains to try to figure out if, like, has this been done before? Their attorneys wrote that the story did not focus its efforts on or in Wyoming, nor would it have any reason to do so . The Powell Tribune has expanded its online content. Remind us who they are and what they've done. Anyone can read what you share. They'd been recruited and trained in an operation led by a former British spy and security contractor Erik Prince, an avid supporter of Donald Trump. But what is clear is if Beau and Sofia made these campaign contributions - right? They had a - someone came to the Post. And his son - he brought his son, who was a former army officer, on board to help. He said that numerous sources were coming to the group providing confidential documents, insights into internal processes and wearing hidden cameras to expose corruption and misconduct.. Although he owns a home in Wapiti, Prince is not generally known as a Wyoming businessman. Mr. Seddon used other former Project Veritas employees to help with the Wyoming operation, including James Artherton, a British operative code-named kimchi who was involved in a Project Veritas plan targeting an editor for The New York Times in London in 2017. The Intercept, however, has stood behind its reporting and has described the suit as an improper attempt to learn the identity of its sources. document.write ("'><\/scr"+"ipt>"); Citing his ties to the state, his attorneys opted to file Princes defamation case against The Intercept in Wyomings U.S. District Court in May. According to its latest publicly available tax filing, Project Veritas received $8.6 million in contributions and grants in 2018. For example, a 2017 meeting he attended with a crown prince of the United Arab Emirates and an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin became a part of the impeachment proceedings against President Donald Trump, whom he has served as informal adviser. However, lawyers for the publication say they should not have to reveal who told them about Princes alleged meeting with Wagner Group or where they were told it occurred. And, of course, this was really weird because they work for Project Veritas. The documents also show that, beyond Ms. Gore, other prominent Republicans in Wyoming were involved in Mr. Seddons spying operation. In fact, I wrote a memo about what I had found. Erik Prince, founder of private . Of course. The Times previously reported that, in 2016 and 2017, Mr. Prince to help him secure funding is just one of the new details about Mr. Seddons operation revealed in documents obtained by The Times and interviews with people familiar with his plans. But the effort is a glimpse of a vigorous private campaign to try to undermine political groups or individuals perceived to be in opposition to Mr. Trumps agenda. He owns a home on a lot adjoining his familys Double E Ranch in Wapiti. I don't know. Both operations were run by Project Veritas, a conservative group that has gained attention using hidden cameras and microphones for sting operations on news organizations, Democratic politicians and liberal advocacy groups. But it was not her real name. But "one of the most brazen operations of the campaign" was an attempt to take down H.R. DAVIES: Did any of them have opinions about whether these two had done damage? We're speaking with New York Times reporter Adam Goldman, one of a team of Times reporters who've been writing about an effort by conservatives to train operatives in undercover operations to infiltrate progressive groups, unions and the offices and campaigns of Democratic and moderate Republican candidates and elected officials. GOLDMAN: Well, they - you know, they - Beau is from Cody, Wyo., so he had some Wyoming roots. One of the documents indicates that Marti Halverson, a former Wyoming state lawmaker, provided a list of people for the operatives to target. He comes in late '16 or '17 - around that time period. But then they got reversed stung by the Post, which was quite a moment. WASHINGTON A British former spy recruited by Erik Prince, the security contractor close to the Trump administration, played a central role in a secretive effort to hire dozens . AMY GOODMAN: In Wyoming. O'Keefe writes about it in his book. The Powell Tribune was unable to learn Princes voter history from 2002 and 2017. And so Sofia's picture was up there. Sofia makes a contribution - a small contribution to a woman she had befriended who ran, unsuccessfully, for the Wyoming state legislature. He was leading training. GOLDMAN: She was very active. GOLDMAN: I believe that O'Keefe has interacted with Trump. But what we know is there was an arrangement made, and Erik Prince allowed Project Veritas to use his farm to train its operatives. Prince has previously been involved in trying to find dirt on Democratic politicians. Erik Prince, a political novice and former Navy SEAL who made a fortune in contracting security services to the U.S. Military, said in an interview with Breitbart that he will announce in the coming weeks whether he will challenge Barrasso in the Republican primary. The list included John Cox, then the director of the Wyoming Department of Workforce Services, and Scott Talbott, then the director of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. And in the end, you know, O'Keefe would release them and, you know, make a big deal out of them. You know, she attended that. O'Keefe did not respond to the substance of the Times' report but did accuse the newspaper of running a "smear piece" on Project Veritas. It's not clear to me how close he is to Trump. We're going to take a break here. Mark Gordon, who was viewed as a RINO in some Wyoming conservative circles. GOLDMAN: I think - yeah, I think the latest is - you know, he's worked - his latest adventure is in Libya. Erik Prince, the founder of private military company Blackwater, whose sister Betsy DeVos was Trump's education secretary, trained the spies Their job was to find out who was disparaging Trump. Amid his globe-trotting, however, Prince says he does most of his work from Wyoming and calls Park County home. "He's a very nice man," Prince said of Barrasso in the Breitbart interview. I'm Dave Davies. It's a conservative group, and they conduct undercover operations, for instance, to expose bias or what they would describe as, you know, wrongdoing primarily in liberal circles. DAVIES: Right. Erik Prince Recruits Ex-Spies to Help Infiltrate Liberal Groups, https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/us/politics/erik-prince-project-veritas.html. According to Prince, the tech adviser determined that the emails were not authentic.. Mr. Erik Prince, founder and CEO of Blackwater Worldwide, in 2008. GOLDMAN: What - the training they got was when they worked for an outfit called Project Veritas. Prince invited Project Veritas operatives including Mr. OKeefe to his familys Wyoming ranch for training in 2017, The Intercept reported last year. And then as I sort of gathered - started to gather information on this, I knew this was going to be a story. Erik Prince, founder of the private military firm Blackwater, helped raise money for a political-intelligence operation run by Richard Seddon, a former British spy. They've targeted CNN. Funneling money surreptitiously to campaigns through other donors known as straw man donations would violate federal campaign finance laws. Prince said he regularly host[s] customers, investors, employees and other business associates at my Wyoming ranch.. But they thanked us for bringing, you know, putting some sunlight on this. Key figures in the operation are a former British spy named Richard Seddon and private security contractor Erik Prince, a staunch supporter of Donald Trump. They were, in fact, going to use a former Project Veritas operative named Tarah Price, who lives in the Dallas area, to, you know, possibly ensnare McMaster at a restaurant, get him to say something ill toward or maybe negative about Trump, something that would compromise him. They were, in fact, undercover spies who had been building a cover as eager Democrats when, in fact, they were anything but that. GOLDMAN: Well, I don't know if he is primarily the guy. Meanwhile, Prince is once again registered as a Park County voter. Attorneys for the outlet say The Intercept has no particular connection to the state and Princes ties are uncertain. You know, in this recent story that you wrote with Mark Mazzetti of the Times, you introduce us to a couple. Mr. OKeefe and his group have taken aim at targets over the years including Planned Parenthood, The New York Times, The Washington Post and Democracy Partners, a group that consults with liberal and progressive electoral causes. Mr. Fast-forward to 2007, and Erik Prince was living in McLean, Virginia, and spending time on his Middleburg property, Blackwater Ranch, designed as a family retreat just as his parent's home in Cody had been originally. To do so would potentially reveal the sources identity, in breach of a promise of confidentiality made to the source, and creating personal risk for the source, they wrote, adding Princes real motive in bringing this lawsuit obtaining the identity of [The Intercepts] confidential source is plain., Further, if Prince is allowed to take discovery of The Intercept, the lawyers say they should be allowed to probe Princes ties to Virginia versus Wyoming, since he already has been forced to admit [his sworn statements] contained certain falsehoods.. The documents give new details about efforts to manipulate the politics of Wyoming. Wapiti resident Erik Prince is one of several people associated with a Wyoming-based effort to infiltrate political campaigns and get "dirt" to sabotage candidates. It seems like the Democrats have figured out this party switch deal to their advantage, Mr. Friess wrote in an email obtained by Wyofile, a political news site in Wyoming. But before the parties get to the lawsuits merits, The Intercept is contending, among other arguments, that Wyoming is not the right place for the case to be heard. Adam Goldman, welcome back to FRESH AIR. ADAM GOLDMAN: They went there after making sizable donations to the DNC, the Democratic National Committee - $10,000 each - at the request of a Colorado businessman who was a - he's a fundraiser for the Democrats and basically said, if you make this donation, you can come and hang out in Las Vegas. One target in particular was Gov. And we've written about that. This is when there was the special Senate election in Alabama, right? So, you know, this is not something I had ever done as a - you know, this is not something journalists do. And they will get, you know, negative information from public records. GOLDMAN: These were videos - you can find them on Project Veritas', you know, website or on YouTube now. zoneId = '3'; You know, was it effective? And then Seddon - you know, he stays on. You know, they were angry too, right? He is not registered in Park County or [Wyoming] presently, unless he is not going by Erik Dean Prince and has changed his name, Park County Elections Deputy Pat Cole said in a Sept. 17 email; he said Prince hadnt voted in Wyoming since 2000. This item is available in full to subscribers. So he's going to pop up in all sorts of different places. She went to meetings. GOLDMAN: Well, that's a great question and one we struggle with at the Times in trying to put this in context. And he ends up giving, you know, $6,000 to Wyoming Democratic Party and also money to other political figures. When a muckraking news site published a story alleging private security contractor and Blackwater founder Erik Prince had offered his services to a Russian mercenary firm, the connections to Wyoming were not obvious; the state was never mentioned in the piece. But, yeah, this kind of actual infiltration and spying, I don't think I've run across that. GOLDMAN: You know, individuals - we're not exactly sure who was behind this effort - but it's clear that they believe that, you know, H.R. Prince appears to have become interested in using former spies to train Project Veritas operatives in espionage tactics sometime during the 2016 presidential campaign. The document is dated December 2018 and said that Mr. Talbott was another of the names of corrupt individuals from Marti.. One February 2019 report said that a new undercover will be joining the team and tasked with targeting Mr. Harshman. I'm not sure that just because he's a conservative, this is something he wanted to help. DAVIES: Right. They were undercover conservative operatives, the paper discovered, who had been trained at a ranch belonging to Blackwater founder Erik Prince by a former MI6 officer with ties to the right-wing . GOLDMAN: Yeah, I think they nearly tripled the number of people they hired. The parties are currently awaiting a ruling from Judge Johnson, who could choose to allow the case to proceed in Wyoming; permit some more limited fact-gathering about the appropriate jurisdiction; transfer the case to New York; or throw it out entirely. In the case of the FBI, you know, they were looking for bias to see if somebody - they could get somebody to say something anti-Trump, which, of course, fit the theme at the time because, you know, these infamous text messages between these two FBI officials who had worked on the Russia investigation - the FBI's Russia investigation had come out, right? DAVIES: That's a really fascinating example of the power of, you know, database reporting now because you knew they were doing the thing in Georgetown, but their campaign contributions in Wyoming have to be publicly reported. And then he stays on working for a Project Veritas till roughly June of '18. And, you know, we wrote the story about the operation targeting McMaster and Georgetown. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. So I thought to myself, why are they giving money to these people, these Democratic politicians? He's a former British intelligence officer who served in Washington, D.C., and in Pakistan and eventually leaves the British Secret Intelligence Service and develops some relationship with Erik. And, you know, typically they would have a male individual working for Project Veritas who would accompany these women on these dates as sort of, like, security. And this photo of James O'Keefe, who's, you know, the founder of Project Veritas, firing a weapon with a silencer, apparently, at Erik Prince's ranch - were they being trained in firearms there? var m3_u = (location.protocol=='https:'? And there was, you know, another individual from the Emirates who was there. They targeted The Washington Post. 'https://powellbanners.creativecirclemedia.com/www/delivery/ajs.php':'http://powellbanners.creativecirclemedia.com/www/delivery/ajs.php'); DAVIES: They targeted ACORN. Mr. So we had never seen something like that. What kind of inroads did they make? A former British spy and Republican mega-donor Erik Prince, a founder of the private military contractor Blackwater (now rebranded as "Academi) and brother to former U.S. Education Secretary. DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR. GOLDMAN: That's a good question. At the time I signed my [September] declaration I believed Jones Creek and CMNS to be Wyoming entities, but I have subsequently learned they are not; I believe they are Delaware entities, Prince wrote in the document, which he signed from California. met with White House and Pentagon officials. Ms. Jorge was eventually exposed and kicked out of the campaign office. And I got swept away reporting on that and eventually was able to come back to it. Other outlets, however, have continued writing about the contractor. Last month, Project Veritas made public secretly recorded video of a longtime ABC News correspondent who was critical of the networks political coverage and its emphasis on business considerations over journalism. How Times reporters cover politics. Mr. Seddon owns a cabin that he keeps stocked with guns, food and other supplies as preparation for a cataclysmic event in the United States. DAVIES: Now, one of the more well-known operations - because, well, you reported on this - was an effort to embarrass Trump's national security adviser, H.R. GOLDMAN: Project Veritas is founded by James O'Keefe. And another individual named Barbara Ledeen, who worked for a prominent senator, his committee - Chuck Grassley - she admitted her involvement, and she had actually said she had met with a Project Veritas operative. DAVIES: Right. Last year, Project Veritas submitted a proposed list of witnesses for the trial over the lawsuit. And so we're all familiar with that, I think, to some extent. Wyoming is not the place for security contractor Erik Prince to sue a New York-based publication, a federal judge says. Did it help, you know, Project Veritas raise more money? For his part, Prince swears he never met with anyone from Wagner Group a denial The Intercept included in its reporting. The special counsels report said that Mr. His contributions to the 2022 Whitney Biennial, on view through Sept. 5 three fanciful portraits of Erik Prince, the financier and founder of the private security firm Blackwater depict a. She and Mr. Prince a former C.I.A. And as part of this effort, Richard Seddon was brought on to handle training and really professionalize Project Veritas' undercover operations. And they both say they didnt interview anyone in the state for the article. Were just trying to hold them accountable for this industrial espionage.. Whether any Trump administration officials or advisers to the president were involved in the operations, even tacitly, is unclear. However, he ultimately did not challenge Barrasso in 2018 nor did he vote in those off-year elections, Prince acknowledged in Octobers revised declaration. WASHINGTON Erik Prince, the security contractor with close ties to the Trump administration, has in recent years helped recruit former American and British spies for secretive. Drawing on information from three unnamed sources, The Intercept reported Prince met with a top official from Russias Wagner Group at an undisclosed location earlier this year and offered his mercenary forces to support the firms operations in Libya and Mozambique.. Blackwater Worldwide founder Erik Prince is considering a Republican primary challenge to Wyoming Senator John Barrasso, a senior member of the Senate GOP leadership team, in a race that could pit the party's establishment against insurgents inspired by allies of President Donald Trump. The whole thing was completely - was really weird. Prince a former C.I.A. DAVIES: Adam Goldman, thank you so much for speaking with us. Last week, our guest, reporter Adam Goldman, co-authored a story about a couple who ingratiated themselves with Democrats in Wyoming, often making substantial political contributions to ensure their access to valuable information. Prince noted he owned a home in Wyoming and had been connected to the state since 1992. Why are they there? Other Project Veritas employees on the emails include Joe Halderman, an award-winning former television producer who in 2010 pleaded guilty to trying to extort $2 million from the comedian David Letterman. Prince and Mr. Seddon met in August 2018 with Susan Gore, a Wyoming heiress to the Gore-Tex fortune, Ms. Gore became the projects main benefactor. }else{ Prince, a contractor close to the Trump administration, contacted veteran spies for operations by Project Veritas, the conservative group known for conducting stings on news organizations and other groups. DAVIES: This is FRESH AIR, and our guest is Adam Goldman. The New York Times broke the news of Princes potential run on Oct. 8, 2017, saying hed recently traveled to Wyoming to explore ways to establish residency there., The following day, Breitbart Editor-in-Chief Alex Marlow asked Prince whether the Times report was real or fake news, mentioning, Im not 100% positive on your connection to Wyoming.. Ms. Gore ended up rejecting the proposal because it was too expensive people with knowledge of the plan said it would start in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. That was the idea. You mentioned that he was recruited by Erik Prince. DAVIES: Wow. And, you know, I'm not sure when the relationship started. DAVIES: And when we say they targeted these public officials or FBI agents, what would they do? - not one expose every year. Seddon left the project in 2018, before O'Keefe started releasing low-impact "unmasking the deep state" videos. GOLDMAN: The plan was to - it was basically - you know, in some ways, it was a classic sort of honey trap. 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