I just read about the one that flipped, but understand, it is only this issue that has me looking at ntsb reports, it is not something most fractional owners do before every flight. Don, sorry about your situation and lack of communication. The caution terrain aural warning was sounding continuously as Villi maneuvered us to the left in visual conditions to fly around the hill, inconveniently placed on the extended certerline of the runway. Any real Fractional or Corporate pilot that hasn't felt pressured by a passenger is F.O.S. Let me be clear here and confirm that they are just rumors. P180 Avanti Pressurization System. He was a good guide to have for my first flight in the airplane. They are completely disconnected from operations and maintenance and some in the operation would argue 'reality' should be added to that list. pilots. I would especially reach out to Mr. Norris and others and hope that we will be able to serve you again in the future. At FL 250 it was still better than 2,000 fpm at 170 knots indicated. The contract includes ten strict orders with options for 40 more. General Data Sheet No. Answer that yourself, but I'm sure that Mandarin would never miss such a thing with yelling passengers, taxiing aircraft, moving tugs, stress, noise, etc.. Aircraft Owners & Pilots Association Find it free on the store, Powerplants / (2) 850-shp Pratt & Whitney Piaggio P.180 Avanti II: N141JT: Private: 0: Georgetown, TX: sub: 09-JUN-2018: Piaggio P.180 Avanti II: N977RS: private : 0: Tivat Airport (TIV/LYTV) w/o: 03-JAN-2019: Piaggio P.180 Avanti: N990RS: Rainbow Sandals Retail Inc. 0: 20 nm W of Kelowna, BC: Despite the fact that it took me a while to get a feel for the trim button theres a little activate button in the center of the trim hat the hand-flying was nothing short of delightful. Thats slightly less than 100 gallons per hour, a figure light jets simply cant touch. Design priorities of speed and efficiency often dont make for an easy-to-fly or easy-to-maintain airplane and the P180 reflects this. Piaggio can do it, too. My last four years have been spent flying equipment with fly-by-wire controls and the Avantis flying controls are conventionally connected via cables, pulleys, push pull rods, and bell cranks. WebSECTION A: GENERAL, P.180 Avanti Type Design A.I. This airframe, T7-ASG, SN3007 was the first Avanti to be produced at the new manufacturing facility in Villanova DAlbenga, one year after production was moved from Genoa. This, along with the airplanes great cabin and operating economies, has made the Avanti II the airplane that has helped create the remarkable success of charter and fractional operator Avantair, which operates 57 Avantis. We owned a King Air 200 several years ago in partnership with another company which was great except the other company ran into trouble and couldn't pay their half. Fastest Turboprop Copyright 2023 AIN Media Group, Inc. All Rights Reserved. My trip has been scheduled for several days so I am perplexed on why they waited until 11pm the night before my trip to tell me about this issue. I turned due south and climbed toward the military training area. Yes, the Captain was terminated and we lost a good pilot. When we resume operations, we will have the most reliable fleet in our industry embracing the highest standards in aviation, said Mr. Santo. I love the Piaggio and Avantair has always been great to work with, but now I am concerned about my share and their financial situation. http://aerossurance.com/safety-management/guilty-plea-obstructing-ntsb/, Passenger - Non-Scheduled/charter/Air Taxi, Updated [Time, Damage, Category, Investigating agency], Updated [Time, Departure airport, Destination airport, Source, Narrative], Updated [Time, Other fatalities, Departure airport, Destination airport, Source, Narrative], Updated [Other fatalities, Source, Embed code, Narrative]. The foreplane is essentially a portion of the wing moved to the front to allow the main wing to be moved further aft in order to create a larger cabin. As we returned to our starting point alongside Villanovas smart, modern terminal, we allowed the PT6s to cool for the required two minutes before securing the airplane. The instrument is a dual-purpose gauge showing both torque and interstage turbine temperature (ITT), Tq shown by a green arrow and ITT by a line. That is a sign of a company that cares about its pilots. First, with a far aft wing the engines two Pratt & Whitney PT6s in a pusher configuration can be mounted very far aft as well, which helps keep the interior noise low. But this further action is necessary to ensure every aspect of our operation will allow us to reach the next level of safety and performance and exceed the highest industry standard, said Steven Santo, Avantair CEO. On the ground, however, the Avantis overflight noise footprint is on the high scale, which is typical of pusher designs. The airplane is nicely stable on final. Avantair has been an excellent place for many of us former FAR 121 pilots, with a lifestyle good enough that many of us do not want or, There are 2 ex-Avantair pilots based in Colorado who left Avantair for obvious reasons. So as fast as it is at cruise, its block times suffer as a result of the climb speed and relatively low Vmo (260 indicated) and Mmo (Mach 0.70) limitations. If Avantair doesn't do this, FAA will shut them down. This story is already out of date, as of today, 10/25/12, the entire is fleet is grounded for the foreseeable future. https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2012-10-23/avantair-grounds-entire-fleet-safety-checks, It was ground the fleet for inspection or get shutdown my the FAA. The Avanti II, I should probably mention, is a single-pilot airplane; it doesnt need a crew. This press release was issued by Avantair late last night: AVANTAIR UPDATE ON VOLUNTARY STAND-DOWN OF OPERATIONS. In reality, the P.180 is a fast, sophisticated, high-flying airplane that requires the same kinds of skills and training as any single-pilot business jet. Being a turboprop, however, it uses a fraction of the fuel jets would use. As an owner I would think twice about renewing my contract and go with a company who cares about its customers safety, including employees. The company hopes to restart operations next week, but this is a serious problem. Piaggio succeeded in its design goals to create a large cabin as well as a very fast design that puts it squarely in the light jet arena. At 400 feet, Lorenzo handed me control for my first landing. The original $5.00 stock traded at .11 cents today, a loss of 98% of its value. Ill let Peter Garrison work out both the semantics and aerodynamics of the question (if those two disciplines would differ on the subject). The upper fuselage curves to a peak height just in front of and above the main wing leading edge and then slopes downwards to join the lower fuselage upward curve at a point below the trailing edge of the T-tail that stands with its sharply swept back horizontal tailplane some 13.06 feet above the ramp. We would be more than happy to speak with any Colorado based owners who might be looking for an experienced Piaggio crew. The external baggage area is not pressurized. Avantairs demise, parts scarcity, and maintenance headaches combine to make P180 ownership a challenge. We were light and it was slightly colder than standard, both of which help boost true airspeed numbers by at least a few knots. It's because they MUST do it. He was up for a 10k raise after gaining seniority and they cut his pay the DAY before he was supposed to get the raise. source: 36 dated 11 April 2019 to the P.180 Avanti Pilot's Operating Handbook and AFM (Report 6591). No furloughs or termination?? While I flew, Villi checked the Airplane Flight Manual and the performance graphs corroborated these figures to within a couple of knots at ISA +5. Avantair and the FAA may call it voluntary, but it's all semantics. Both flights continued to their destinations without further incident. Everyone at Owner Services couldn't have been nicer and the vast majority of the pilots were courteous and very professional, and I had zero complaints with them. In any event, they are going to be fighting an uphill battle, as each day that passes is going to cause people to want to cancel there "membership.". But that there are some management issues. Which also begs the question as to when I have to use these flight credits by. On first glimpse, the cabin interior is impressive, with a two-place bench seat opposite the door, a single sideways-facing seat on the same side as the door and four club-arranged seats leading to a full privacy toilet. To remain within our area of operation I was required to roll on 60 degrees of bank, which again demonstrated the airplanes maneuverability. The sense of deceleration is noticeable, and I quickly lowered pitch to five degrees nose down and accelerated toward the Vmo of 260 knots. Yes, the Captain, a mere mortal and an infallible being, DID miss the elevator on his post flight inspection. The wings are held level easily with aileron and a squeeze of rudder. If anyone in North Florida is interested let me know. He sighted the runway at 50 ft above the missed approach point. I followed Lorenzos example, if anything being a bit more aggressive with the speed decay. In fact, Avantair late last year took possession of the 100th Avanti delivered in the United States, which has been far and away the models best market. Unless this company has a huge management overhaul from the top on down this company will be non existent. You can get a good 2003 model with the increased weights that make it an Avanti II for $5.3. We continued to decelerate and shortly after selecting landing flaps, I turned toward the hillside on my left to line up with the runway as we passed through 600 feet. We were cleared through 8,000 feet very quickly and then up to FL350, set up using the flight guidance panel (FGP) on the glareshield and appearing in cyan in the top right hand side of the PFD. If not, we hope that you find safe, efficient, and cost-effective travel options in the future. All this is combined with remarkable versatility, which makes the P180 Avanti II one of the most widely used aircraft in public services such as air ambulance and air rescue missions, law enforce-ment, and flight inspections that ensure the safety of people and property. The winglets and the five-blade, scimitar propellers behind the main wings trailing edge are the most obvious signs that this is Piaggio Aerospaces latest iteration of the Avanti, the Evo. Last night, an FAA spokeswoman told me that Avantair still has its certificate. departed the aircraft. I think that it should be obvious to everyone here that comments by Mandarin Jet and a few others should be taken with a grain of salt. The Avanti II's efficiencies can reduce operating costs by as much as 40 percent, according to Bingham. It is, instead, a forward wing. Willing to purchase them from you. WebTo order vehicle records online, you will need to: Have a permissible use for the information if purchasing records other than your own; Select Online Services; Under Additional And of course the obvious, why do they wait until I book a flight before telling me they are grounded (of course I know the answer to this, but wow, if I had just known, I could have made other plans a bit more easily). With all of these maitenence issues and issues regarding fudging pilot hours so they would be legal is scary. Taxi steering was selected on the column switch, and the airplane moved easily at our ramp weight of 10,800 pounds. A friend owns a The Avanti feels very stable and is easy to maintain altitude in while hand-flying compared with other airplanes in and around its class. After wed checked figures at 380, we headed down briefly to FL 320 on the way back to Dallas. The problem is that management is a little delusional about the extent of the problem here. They are a public company and having your fleet grounded is a material issue yet they are not disclosing this issue as far as I can tell. Pete Bedell is a pilot for a major airline and co-owner of a Cessna 172M and Beechcraft Baron D55. While things have been dreary throughout the aviation industry for the past 5 years, Avantair was the only fractional airline that did not furlough or terminate pilots due to staffing reductions. Both crews included experienced professionals that could have easily been flying somewhere else. Arriving at the FBO there, the crew were shocked to find the owner and his colleague outside the FBO, on the ramp, unsupervised, waiting for the aircraft to arrive. It has delivered nearly 200. These inspections and other actions are still underway. My attempt to follow Villis lead to my right seat was not so graceful. The sharp sweepback of the horizontal stabilizer ensures the elevators cannot be aerodynamically blanked by the main wing during a stall and thus remain effective throughout, and the main wing, with its high aspect ratio, is positioned behind the rear pressure bulkhead so that the spar does not pass through the passenger cabin, giving an uninterrupted length of 14.93 ft. Avantair has retained safety expert Nick Sabatini to oversee the project. The one posted under SEC filings on www.avantair.com shows a sentence between the last and next to last sentences that is missing from your release. The Avanti II does indeed have a big cabin, the best in its class by far, and it also has good speed and range, and best-in-class fuel efficiency. There are ten wholly owned Avanti EVOs in operation worldwide, according to JETNET. If range is the mission, getting the Avanti up to FL410 and cruising about 300 KTAS will yield a near-1,500 nautical mile range while still cruising as fast as the competition. Once there, I found the cockpit comfortable. Todays airplane has the Rockwell Collins Pro Line 21 avionics suite, with all the bells and whistles. You fly final at around 120 knots; when you pull back on the power as you land, the nose rises slightly, the mains touch, and you relax back pressure and prepare to get stopped, a job that is greatly aided by big carbon brakes and extremely effective prop braking. What's done in the dark always comes to light. In fact, Avantair hired and added airplanes during the Great Recession. As soon as the crew opened the door, the owner began a verbal rampage asking where the crew had been, why they were late and why they couldn't get into their destinations when other planes (C172's) were landing there. Now, to the flight deck and our seats. Max cruise speed / 400 KTAS Maybe if they remove your management and replace them with people who have a decent education to run a business and a training department that trains it's pilots to succeed by helping them understand their job to proficiency. Only records that are readily One smart thing I did do was I bought my share as a resale thru a vendor and paid a whole lot less then I would have if I bought straight from Avantair. Ask about it and was told they didn't want to buy replacement parts. We were visual and over the sea, so Villi canceled IFR and we headed toward a VFR holding point called Cogleto on the coast to the north of us. | Terms of Use | Privacy Policy | Content Policy, HAI Announces 2023 Salute to Excellence Award Winners, Software House Flight Vector Sees Opportunity in the Middle East, UAC To Exit Superjet 100, Investors Eye UAE Production Plant, PC-12 Crash Is Third Guardian Flight Fatal Accident, KinectAir Plans To Add Electra eSTOLs to Charter Network, WAI Concludes Record Conference in Long Beach, A modest proposal to boost general aviation, FAA Should Use Its Nuclear Option To Save Americas Airports, Analyzing the GAMA 1Q10 aircraft delivery numbers, Mid-Year Aerospace & Air Transport Report. I flew with him last month. RMR, if you are in Vegas, have you looked at AirSprint as an alternative? Unfortunately, ill-fated business and maintenance practices eventually led to its bankruptcy in 2013. This buffet, although it feels like a stick shaker through the column, is all aerodynamic from the forward wing and serves as an excellent stall warning. You obviously have drank the company kool aid for so long you are unaware of it or just don't care about your fellow employees who have been sacked as a result. The twin turboprop Avanti EVO is the third-generation version of the Piaggios Avanti P.180, a model introduced in the 1990s that led to the creation of Piaggio Aero Industries. Yes. Along with the wings, the engine inlets and wing leading edge are deiced by bleed air; the tail does without, as do the props, which are heated directly by the engine exhaust blowing over them. As we tracked toward this point, Lorenzo handed me back control for the last approach. WebAt approximately the same time, the Piaggio P.180 received a traffic advisory. In the Flint incident, LISTEN TO THE ATC tapes! The company simply does not have the capacity to handle the demand and corners have been seriously cut to try to cover that demand with inadequate resources. At 10:21:49, there was 1000 feet of vertical separation and 0.9 nautical miles of lateral separation between the two aircraft. Closing the power levers to idle sounds the gear warning horn, which is canceled using a button on the RH power lever. Piaggio P.180 AFM TC No. They "couldnt" find a charter in time (by 2pm as I had to be back), so they put me on American Airlines. Piaggio received the first major order for the Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO from a Hong Kong-based investment company and Bravia Capital advisor in July 2014, for up to 50 Piaggio P180 Avanti EVO aircraft. Think of the Avanti II as a jet with props and youll be close to the mark, though in many respects, its not an easy mental shift to make. Then there are the issues with inflight engine shutdowns that happen way early of the engine manufacture time frames. Had Chuck Yeager and Sully Sullenburger, himself, flown the aircraft, the result would have been the same. The professional pilots at Avantair greatly appreciate our owners support and contribution to our careers and livelihoods. Piaggios home airfield is surrounded by terrain, and the approach is offset from the inbound course. Anyone have any or both of these checkists? If this had happened at a big passenger airline, they would have been lauded for getting the aircraft to the runway. I had a few seconds to get the feel of the Evo in the landing configuration before I was flaring for touchdown and gradually closing the power levers. Ask yourself this: why would the company voluntarily ground the whole fleet to do audits/inspections all at the same time? RMR, I'm in Jacksonville Florida but I am going so start looking for a partner or two to buy something together. On Saturday, fractional provider Avantair grounded its entire fleet of about 60 Piaggio Avanti twin turboprops to conduct a comprehensive examination of all The cabin, interestingly, isnt symmetrical; its a little cozier up front than in back. I was pleasantly surprised at how nicely the Avanti II handles. So we planned to visually line up with the runway on short final. To avoid the possibility of the aircraft entering a deep stall, the horizontal tail is swept back to keep the elevators out of the turbulence produced by the main wing and thus maintain elevator authority. Furthermore, the required pilot aircraft walkaround or preflight check of the P180 at San Diego before departure to Nevada, could not have missed the absent elevator that had fallen off before arrival, if in fact the preflight had been accomplished at all. At 160 knots, he handed control over to me, and we climbed at 2,500 fpm. If anyone has any insight please share it. Cabin dimensions are spacious compared to a Beechcraft King Air and more in line with a midsize jet. That said, they never even sent me a quote, which I got elsewhere for a king air (and a Lear 55, I am taking the King Air). Anyone interested in the truth can re-read Piaggio drivers 4 part post. WebP180 Avanti General Description. We exited left at the end, and Lorenzo cleaned the aircraft up as I got my last chance to handle the Avanti Evo while we taxied back toward the ramp. Where did you get this press release? Piaggio P.180 AFM TC No. P180 Avanti Navigation. One thats lacking is the single FMS. 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