How is the P3AT above the middle of the list? But I have no interest in any Keltec pistol-unlike several rifles. Those small NAA revolvers you have to learn how to safely load and unload. I also Have the Kahr CW380 nice guy but finicky on ammo. How many times do you change magazines in a self defense situation? I dont see it. Funny, I have the SCCY CPX-2 and I love it. I sell guns and have ZERO hesitation about selling someone a CPX-2 for everyday carry. Glad to see it was noted as rating highly, and not on the list. Anyway, all just my opinion here. I have put about 2000 rounds through them 100% reliable so far. The trigger pull on the LCP II most closely resembles the trigger on larger striker fired polymer pistols such as the Glock. The one I had was utter shit. And than some. Combined with the teflon-like nickle finish and the worlds stiffest recoil spring, its almost impossible to rack. I will run the Pico side by side the Kahr any day and have. The Beretta Pico is probably one of Berettas biggest blunders. I normally enjoy Truth about guns. I own two of them, shoot pockets guns each week and have been for years. My hands are simply too large for the tiny Ruger. Its manageable. Modular design, one of the easiest take downs in the history of guns, fantastic sights, easy to put on night sights without going to a Gun Smith. It is designed as a personal defense arm not a target pistol or a plunker. Just a BS review to gain clicks and views. I bought one of the .380 Seecamps when they first came out. BATTLE OF THE RUGER .380S: LCP VS. LCP II. Having visited that site, I dont think their rating system really gives me enough information to choose between firearms. (1) Astroturfing happens, both ways. And then the gall to refer to Jeremy who by the way did not bother to report that the upgraded model fixed all the issues with the first run. I had issues with mine to start. The thing stinks. Its been reliable since then for me. Both have been dependable and will function without a flaw on anything I have tried. Expand your opinion to something legitimate and/or constructive with first hand knowledge. It smacks you hand, mostly due to the 2 finger grip. . And for sure never shot one. Any failure rates? You find that to be an effective way to make friends and influence people? Also, I dont consider the CPX-2 to be a pocket pistol, nor should it be compared to some of the little single stack fluff-pieces the articles author referenced. I assume the reason the CM40 sucks is similar. You mean like the crowd of voters that put Obama in office twice. .40 maybe too big for a leetle sub-compact pistol. Ruger LCR in 38 spcl +P. Types Of .380 Pistols Subcompact vs Micro-Compact Single-Stack vs Double-Stack Magazines What Should You Look for in a My Cpx 2 is not 100% reliable, but I did not expect it to be for $250. Thanks for your post. Oh not to mention Sccy has great The PPK established a defining influence on the design of concealed carry firearms. It works great if all it does is sit in your pocket. I know I hated my PF9 and would NEVER EVER buy any Keltec pistol again. The take down lever is actually easy to use once get use to it. I cant count on my DB380 to run consistently, so I had to give it a low rating. And just recently bought my Third Pico. And the Pico will run like a sewing machine. In contrast to this, the original LCP did not lock back on the final round. In other words, its not pleasant to shot at all. I agree, the P3AT is my go to light carry gun. Actually the design was made so that the magazine would not pop out on firing like other small pocket guns are guilty of, use the release correctly and it is a breeze. The gun works incredibly well if you use the recommend FMJ ammo as listed in the manual. And of course, they criticize all the brands that dont advertise with them. But the reset on the trigger was so ridiculously long Id often miss follow up shots because I handt let it out far enough to reset. Which is good compared to many overpriced semi auto pistols which are not as dependable. Sig without question is the "Caddilac". My Gosh folks, this is total BS, read the directions. On that note, you KNOW were kind of spoiled with all the great pocket guns available today. Yes it did. Kahr makes a lot of pocket guns, and several of them rate really well. Considering the price point of the SCCY, its fit, finish and functionality is excellent. Texas Teens Getting Carry Licenses! But, in real life event, the trigger want matter. And we have to like it enough to carry it. However it is not any where near the build quality of the Beretta Pico. It shoots a powerful pistol cartridge in a light gun. I own a SCCY CPX-2 personally and it has been a flawless gun. Given all that, wouldnt it be nice to know which pocket guns you can rule out right off the bat? It is about 99% reliable, however, which is good enough to carry. I have 100s of rounds through both my kahrs with zero fails. I have to disagree about the SCCY CPX-2. He didnt even require them to be positive. Its that bad. That said, I have never tried to pocket-carry one so Im not voting on it in terms of that specific criteria. I trust my Hellcat 380 as much as I do my S & W 39, but I prefer a tight revolver over any semi-auto when my life depends on it. The warranty cant be beat. . No problems with it at all. I have two of the Picos. Its not that the gun is too small, its that the trigger is much too close to the tiny grip. Even your most expensive 1911s, Colts, S&W and Glocks will jam or miss fire from time to time. anyone can vote on any gun whether they own or have even seen the gun in person. Copyright 2023 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved. I wouldnt go smaller than a Glock 27 in .40 the recoil is too snappy. I own some pretty toys and more expensive carry guns but for everyday carry i choose between my CPX 2 and S&W 442 and feel just as confident with either. I carry in the front pocket and have trouble with the stupid buttons that accidentally release the mag. How about some info on some of the pocket pistols that may be considered the best? There really is NO WAY to know if the rating is based on a real, objective assessment of the firearm. I have received grief for it as well. Years ago a mentor and I were at a range with an iron 30 plate/gong at 270 yards. Encountered types on the old KT forums that whines like a little girl. either love or hate. I have a brand new Cobra that has never fired a shot ! .380 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) This ammunition round was first introduced by Colt back in 1908, to use in its new Colt Model 1908, which was a compact, hammerless semi-automatic pistol. Certainly one of the ugliest pistols ever manufactured, this weapon made the list of worst military pistols because its dangerous design easily surpassed its repellant appearance. I have several friends who own Picos and swear by them. The trigger is about smooth and deliberate. The LCP isnt that bad. I give them a failing grade because neither gun reliably goes bang each time you pull the trigger on factory ammo. How so? If you use ratings to determine which gun works or doesnt work for you, you are a fool. You got to be a rookie. Suprised about the Kahr, Beretta, and Diamondback. Both the front and rear sights are black which can make it difficult to see them if you are aiming against a dark background. My Kahr is a nice but, but Finicky as heck. So Ill pass on the herd mentality when buying guns thanks.. You get two shots, a single-action-only Standing out as one of the smallest on this list, Kahr isnt a The sights on the LCP II are built into the top of the slide like its predecessor. M&P Shield EZ .380 6. At first glance, Japans first semi-automatic pistol design resembles the iconic By the way John, I have the Kahr, yes nice gun.Shoots well. You do not have one clue about what you are talking about. I dont know the story behind why but we can only guess. Did you give them Cyrillic numbers to rate with? Voted by handgun magazine as a top pistol and great manufacturer. +1 Mag Extensions are the only change to it. Five for sure and nobody can show otherwise. TTAG has some of the worst reviewers in history. Personally have no experience with them but it is to each his own and have heard nothing but good about these pistols. As soon as I saw the title I knew the Pico would be on the list. If one MUST have a 9mm pocket gun, then the Kahr PM9/CM9 is really the only choice. YES, of course Id rate the G19 at least from a practical, hardcore perspective an obviously more robust, serious combat-capable CC piece, but when you think about it, here I am comparing a Glock 19 to a SCCY CPX-2 for certain situations and that HAS to be a compliment to the SCCY, in an offhand way (and dont accuse me of being a Glock fanboy I own diverse alternatives, and was actually very slow by choice getting into the Glock game.) Why people follow them is a mystery. And they didnt offer to just replace the thing, which is what I would do rather than leaving a dissatisfied customer wholl then post a comment like this on the internet. Lol, I think he is a troll with other guns as well. Ruger LCP II 3. You hold the slide back to engage the cocking. That right there should have indicated that something was up when they feature it at a SHOT SHOW and it takes 2 years to finally put it out for sale. Ruger listened to the criticism, which resulted in the birth of the LCP II. Simple, easy and the Beretta Pico is in fact one of the most mild shooting Pocket Pistols out there. :p. People generally avoid spam masquerading as journalism. But with the right technique and practice, its fine. A 9mm shouldnt be slower than a .45. Super gun, works every time. Also it would be great to know if the people voting own the guns they are rating and/or if they have ever shot them. Ive seen tons of positive reviews of the CPX2. Seriously?). Not cheap, but beautifully crafted. I live in Utah, so in the wintertime its a very high probability that Ill be wearing some type of glove. There are many different 380 pistol options, but our favorites include the following: Ruger LCP II, Walther PK380, Kel-tec P3AT, Taurus Spectrum, and M&P Shield EZ. Nice gun, but many of Kahr owners go to the Pico and never look back. Happy ending. Got the CPX-2 for about half price new. Bounce is not horrible but that along with size will take some of the enjoyment out of the session. Its almost like clockwork, at about the 5th round itll turn the shell sideways then the returning bolt will grab it. Forget about dropping the mag with the shooting hand, cause it aint happening. check the ammo?? This article was total BS. In the case of the SCCY they are worth it. We even joked that we needed to start a Pocket Gun Palma match. A 380 is about as wide as a 9mm. However it is about 1/2 as powerful, 1/2 the weight and velocity. For a very long time 9mm was considered the rock Who knew a firearm could actually be worse? Worst complaint is the trigger, but a lot of dry fires with snap caps and you condition yourself to the long reset. OMG! 8===D~. No gun, none, should have a mag release that is that stiff and impossible to use fast and effectively, especially in a carry gun none the less. Just like Fords. Nonetheless, the fact that they are difficult to shoot can be a major problem for training and self-defense purposes. Stainless steel through out the gun. Im pretty surprised the P3AT isnt on this list. It came back still not fixed. Because they unreasonably expected to consistently hit a bullseye at 50 yards with a pocket pistol? In fact, yanking the mag should tell him to learn the gun. Trigger sucked. The original Ruger LCP has been perhaps the most well-known and popular .380 pocket pistol since it was first introduced in 2008. Using that, Ive compiled a spreadsheet of the resultsby filtering down 200+ subcompact handguns, first by caliber (nothing weaker than .380 ACP), and then by size (nothing bigger than 5.77 long x 4.4 tall).That left 44 semi-autos, which I sorted by each guns average user rating. Even the author of this article merely speculates, at times, as to why the readers voted as they did. The CM40 being smaller and lighter might exhibit a little more, but its not unmanageable. Buy Your Tickets Today! But despite those advantages, .380 pocket pistols have also been plagued by a number of downsides. The thing is about Cobras, hi points that people that call them junk have never actually researched the gun. No problems when used within its limits. Great sights, ability to change out to night sights and on and on. The muzzle blast can be quite impressive and women should definitely fire their guns at the range. http://www.waltherarms.com/wp-content/uploads/ppk-right.jpg .380 pocket pistols are incredibly easy to conceal, and this is what is largely attributed to their long time popularity in the United States. I own a hp380. Her gun was unloaded while the thugs were not. At my handgun review and rating site, gunsgunsguns.net, we offer star ratings on a scale of 110 for every gun featured on the site. Arguably one of the best and most popular pocket pistols, the pf9, was not on the spreadsheet. I certainly wouldnt be happy. Ive had one for 5 years with no more problems than a Kel-tech 380, and Ruger LCP I compared side by side at the range. Thats when I could get them to respond to my emails, that is. He may want to trade the SCCY with the safety in for one of the newer ones without a safety. For College Campuses! I have seen this kind of nonsense before but did not expect to see it here. The slide has the most ineffective grooves Ive ever felt. around $219 plus S&H and ffl fees. Total joke. My SCCY CPX-2 has been absolutely accurate with never a malfunction of any kind. Or has been suggested earlier you can just go snub nosed revolver. Why Beretta didnt copy the ergonomics on that is a mystery to me. I will say they like Ruger and a few other vendors copied Kel-Tec once again as this thing look like a P11. Bottom line: you can do much better. Ive got a CPX-2 and a Hellcat. (not missed, as in missed the target, but missed as in I pulled the trigger for the follow up shot and nothing happened because it had not reset). Best 380 Ive ever had. Ive heard too many bad comments and complaints about the I.O. One now has over 4,000 rounds of flawless ammo down range the other now over 1500 and have never broken a firing pin. Safe, small, and gives me some measure of security I wouldnt have without it. CM40 is my summe4 carry. My dad bought a CPX-whichever has the safety about a month ago; Ill have to ask him what he thinks of it next time we talk. Of all the firearm purchases you may make in your lifetime, a pocket gun is probably the one you can least afford to screw up. As long as you shoot the recommended ammo and keep your weapon cleaned, oiled properly, and replace any defective parts you will get much better performance. The trigger seem to be the trouble people have with it. The movie Gigli had the worst, lowest rating ever on IMDB, voted on by tens of thousands of people. I limited this list to the bottom six guns to reduce room for disagreement and keep it simple. At 10.2 ounces, the trim Taurus 738 is a very light pistol, and with an overall length of just 5.25 inches its easy to conceal even under light The Mary Rosh controversy (where Lott used that pseudonym to answer critics and to post one favorable review of More Guns Less Crime) is discussed. Actually bought a second one. (dead serious) took it right back to the store. If there is what looks like an empty hole its uncocked. Thats whats currently on my hip and I love it. I liked the gun otherwise, but the awful trigger was a total deal breaker for me. Mostly new firearm buyers that buy into all the advertising and ridiculous internet junk. SuccySuckeySuckySucySukyNope. Even though its not made anymore, Ive been interested in trying out a Taurus PT638 if I ever ran across one for a reasonable price, anyone have any experience with one? It was his first time shooting it (or any gun) ever. Literally, it is.) Lets find out by comparing it to the original LCP. 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